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This is a list of comments made by the developers in this thread: * [Comment by thearcan](/r/outriders/comments/w27q6v/how_does_laserbolt_get_rolls_like_this_mine_is/igsod9u/?context=1000 "posted on 2022-07-19 16:28:24 UTC"): > Hey folks - I understand the frustration here and appreciate the desire to see something done. > >On the other hand, this sub is currently skating over witch-hunting territory, so I do want to point out that such topics need to be dealt with carefully and with consideration. > >While I will take the t... * [Comment by thearcan](/r/outriders/comments/w27q6v/how_does_laserbolt_get_rolls_like_this_mine_is/ih12577/?context=1000 "posted on 2022-07-21 09:26:58 UTC"): > >Returning to lobby is in the same list as using external cheat-tools? > >Not at all. Nowhere did I equate those two. None of the exploits I mentioned require external tools. They can all be done within the game or on your PC/Console without third-party tools. > >If you're confused about this part of ... * [Comment by thearcan](/r/outriders/comments/w27q6v/how_does_laserbolt_get_rolls_like_this_mine_is/ih12erj/?context=1000 "posted on 2022-07-21 09:30:35 UTC"): > I've cleared up [confusion regarding the definition here.](https://www.reddit.com/r/outriders/comments/w27q6v/comment/ih12577/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) > >We have never planned to actively punish people who use exploits. As you say, they are things we missed rather than malicious ... * [Comment by thearcan](/r/outriders/comments/w27q6v/how_does_laserbolt_get_rolls_like_this_mine_is/ih12lg3/?context=1000 "posted on 2022-07-21 09:33:04 UTC"): > I've cleared up confusion [regarding the definition here.](https://www.reddit.com/r/outriders/comments/w27q6v/comment/ih12577/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) > >No where did I equate Exploits to Third-party Tools. > >I even specifically called out Third party tools separately to make tha... * [Comment by thearcan](/r/outriders/comments/w27q6v/how_does_laserbolt_get_rolls_like_this_mine_is/ih13r54/?context=1000 "posted on 2022-07-21 09:48:18 UTC"): > >Passing down items for resources to another character is considered an exploit? > >The exploit referred to here is not the passing of resources from one character to another to share resources around and help the lower level character get ahead. > >The exploit in question allows anyone to unlock ALL M... --- This is a bot providing a service. If you have any questions, please [contact the moderators](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%2Fr%2FOutriders).[](#AUTOGEN_TSBREPLIEDBOT)


LandBe4Time

He also used my okriel clip in his latest pyromancer one shot vid and claimed it as his own. Not one for drama but when i replied to his comment asking for my reddit name, he hid it. That’s what irritated me. Funny how content creators use other peoples clips and claim it’s their own. Again i would’ve let it go, but wrong is wrong. No point in trying to reply again since it will probably get hidden. Can’t see it on his page but on my account it shows i replied. For reference: https://ibb.co/vVB3ppd 𝐅𝐢𝐧𝐚𝐥 𝐔𝐩𝐝𝐚𝐭𝐞 𝟕/𝟏𝟗 𝟏:𝟑𝟎𝐩𝐦 𝐏𝐒𝐓: He might’ve seen this and is now giving credit by showing my reply in the YT comments section. If you’re reading this LB, please for future content use your own clips or credit them in your videos. Thanks for all the support!


NiceguyLucifer

u/thearcan u/RobbieSquareEnix after all the modding, cheating in game, making stuff up that are completely incorrect about the game and stealing other people's content, why is LaserBolt still an Outriders Ambasador ????


LandBe4Time

Hopefully this thread is shedding some light


stefke_be

Jees man, he's really being unmasked now


LandBe4Time

Yeah it’s fairly obvious since in the video his pyro’s name is nathalie or something like that at AP40 and mine is Dembe and AP30 at the time of that clip. Wasn’t going to start any drama but hiding my comment definitely triggered me


knoxasking

Lol, I've left a comment in your honor homie.


LandBe4Time

Appreciate it my guy, probably going to get hidden though 😂 he’s known to do that.


knoxasking

I've screencaped everything too, I cannot say wether or not he'll get "exposed" but honestly. Tired of seeing this guy do shit like this.


LandBe4Time

Agreed. Mainly why i watch nick, chadly, playdoh, widdz. Their content is informative and they use their own gameplay. Sometimes use someone else’s account but they mention it’s a borrowed account. Thats cool, but this guy taking other people’s clips from reddit and saying “this is how i did it” is sad. Still annoyed, but in the long run be careful of clips you post on here. He’ll probably take all the credit


knoxasking

And he just hid my comment XD sad sad man


stefke_be

Yea he's deleting al the "modded item" comments 😅


LandBe4Time

So fragile. And to think i used to enjoy his Destiny 1 content back in the day.


Doepie308

Ok, so I am so confused right now.. WTF is Laserbolt? Where is he posting this stolen content? Why is claiming it as his own? And why do people watch his content ? EDIT: I dont know who this Laserbolt is, but I already dont like him


krimsfbc

I like LtBuzzLiteBeer as well I feel he does good content. I learn the most from Nick, Playdoh, and LtBuzzLiteBeer


Strict-Yellow1580

I'm gonna leave a comment also. That's soo wrong.... definitely unsubscribing


WhiteWiddow1022

He also deleted babble ons comment politely asking him to take the video down for diseiving ppl and tricking them into spending drop pods. His true colors are coming out. Ive known he’s a scammer for almost a year now when he made his first guarunteed loot video and started charging ppl real money to run targeted loot expeditions with him


BabbleOnYT

Glad some people did get chance to see it before that happened 🙂 if it's saved even one person from spending their time and resources pulling that stunt, then it's worth it - SongsOfRaze


AtticaBlue

Surely this has all gotten back to PCF? He should be removed as an ambassador at a minimum, and possibly banned from the game altogether.


Papofries

LazerBolt is a modding bootyflake fake azz. Careful he doesnt steal your content🫤


LandBe4Time

Jesus that’s terrible. My issue doesn’t nearly compare to people getting scammed of their own money. Glad it’s getting out there


xthescenekidx

what was the thing with drop pods? I'm curious (I'd never do it I'm genuinely curious what kind of "advice" he was giving)


Odd_Vehicle_5685

I blocked that crap channel a long time ago.


LandBe4Time

Smart man


MisterJinKC

Why not file a DMCA? I don't like the system being abused, but if it's your clip you are in the right.


LandBe4Time

Yes it’s my clip originally recorded on xbox: https://www.xbox.com/play/media/KAFYHUN3 Tbh i don’t think it’s worth the time and effort to do all that. Possibly if I was a content creator i’d take action, but for now this will settle. Just the exposure and all the feedback will do. I appreciate the suggestion though. And if any boomers are out there like me, my reddit name correlates to my gamer pic 😂


LetterheadWestern964

You should definitely DCMA try to get his YT banned this man is advertising your content and making $ off of it I would DCMA his ass 200%


xthescenekidx

damn I knew your name looked familiar I commented on that original thread (still workin on the build lol). Super shitty he'd do that. I've never really watched him - something about him just felt off to me and if I'm being nitpicky, I didn't vibe with his delivery. Now its seems my intuition was right. Now I don't feel so bad for correcting him on his pronunciation of "Pyre" xD


LandBe4Time

Haha nice! And yeah seems to be a common theme amongst most viewers. Hope you’re having fun with the pyro. I’m still moving things around a bit as well


xthescenekidx

it def needs some work and refining but its still a blast to play and my hardest hitting/fastest clear time build to date. It's being sidelined a little because started working a flame leper techno build that plays a lot like pyro


LandBe4Time

Definitely sounds like a good build. If they ever adjust the toxic mods to work with blightfire I could see it being meta. Unless that was intentional. I’ve seen it is still viable without those mods though. Also interested to change things up on my tech because he’s been neglected after playing pyro so much 🤣


xthescenekidx

That's exactly why I did it. Turrets are just way too easy mode and FP I played from launch until New Horizons until I became a pyro main. It's a fun build that plays A LOT like pyro, add clears like a beast but it suffers HARD on bosses. It feels a lot like an ashblast/overheat build up until boss fights. In fact the people I've talked to that use it say they switch off it during trials bosses lol


LandBe4Time

Agreed i got bored of turrets. Definitely interested to see the build!


xthescenekidx

Couple ppl have covered it but this is the guy I got it from https://youtu.be/0bPuJ7XtwnM


SplashCashmore5

Commented on his video with your reddit name and stating that credot should have been given.


LandBe4Time

Appreciate you man. Not sure if thats you “numnums”but I saw that one. Was going to reply but i seriously dont bother because anything will get hidden. Luckily that comment everyone can still see. If it’s another one it might be gone, as i just checked with no luck. Thanks again homie. Grateful for this community


SplashCashmore5

Update: he deleted/hid my message. Lmao.


LandBe4Time

Figured lol. Appreciate the effort though really. Thank you


SplashCashmore5

Nah my username is Rich Morris, thought it will prob get hidden but i hate lazy people who claim credit for others work. Was my pleasure.


[deleted]

Damn I saw your vid then saw him post one and thought “hey thats the exact same dmg number” and realized he stole your content. That’s crazy man glad you spoke up


LandBe4Time

Thanks my guy. To be completely honest i saw the video yesterday and let it go at first. Almost always avoid internet drama. Then i checked the channel this morning and saw my reply hidden. I like to keep my posts fairly positive but that definitely inspired me to expose. Also here it can’t get deleted 😂


TopcatFCD

Saw your clip here then saw his yt vid and did wonder. Then noticed the comments lol. Him asking you to prove it / prove your name was rich cause he had your name in vid etc


GreenConsideration65

Video still up just looked for it,I was subscribed to him now not, he’s a cheat


LyricalDragon79

The dudes been at this for years. He will steal peoples work and call it his own.


Nicktew

He's cheating. I've personally reported him to the devs (with proof) multiple times and been told "they will look into it" Which they won't. Ambassador program is a meme.


stefke_be

He even doesnt understand what he talks about, he claims deathronome adds up his AP using skills... Yea dumbass, thats the skill tree nodes kicking in... Using 2 skills actually stops the benefit of deathronome on AP a moment 🙄


Nicktew

He clearly has an incredibly poor understanding of the game, otherwise he wouldn't cheat gear that's obviously not possible to legitimately obtain. He just has no idea of the limitations. He also has every character at Apocalypse Tier 40 but only like ascension level 90 lmao. Either he's just incredibly lazy, doesn't care, or is just incomprehensibly ignorant.


OkPangolin2463

Probably all 3


Dakes_Gaming

Well firstly this guy cheats, he deletes comments and he cries everytime anyone calls him out for it. Should Laserbolt be an Outriders Ambassador? Absolutely not! But let's analyse Laser in more detail. Back when I first stumbled across his channel he had roughly the same number of subscribers than he does now a year later, playing a variety of games and publishing often. Mainly clickbait or meme copy content that he doesn't understand. When I saw footage of his video showing t40 then lowering to t30 I was confused but finding out that footage was stolen from a community member is just hilarious to his credibility. How on earth this guy is a content creator is beyond me but his view and growth numbers indicate how washed up he is and he certainly isn't worth PCF or Square Enixs time. Thanks for highlighting this because its virtually impossible to get any sort of comment through to this guy and its fantastic to see exposure on people who have no respect for games. - Dake


LandBe4Time

Well said, this is virtually his comment section where everything can be seen. I’m not one for clout, or if someone uses my clip or uses someone else’s but show some damn decency and give credit as small as it may be. i.e “reddit user” “unknown source” Basically stating it’s not your own. Thats it. Continue video. I’m a humble person, this just makes me wonder who else’s content he’s stolen. Funny thinking that i was going to avoid all this and keep quiet but glad i spoke up after reading all these stories.


Dakes_Gaming

Thanks! 🙂 yeah his comment section is sus. I'd love to see his comment section in YouTube studio or his like vs dislike ratio. Would be quite comical to say the least. And absolutely, if you use (or in this case steal) someone's footage or work with someone you're obligated to shout them out and rightly so. I did a video a week ago with a friend and gave him shout outs at the beginning and the end. It's only fair. Yeah I'm glad you did speak up as I wasn't aware of it at all. Its a low blow what he's done but the damage is now being done 😂 and he deserves this. Did you know he used to charge people to get "guaranteed loot" that wasn't guaranteed and pure RNG? 🤔


stefke_be

Here he cant delete or restrict comments 😉 Glad it gave you some relief! Too bad this is only a small post with only so many viewers, majority of his youtube chanel will still think he's legit...


R4ndoNumber5

Everything is possible when you are a massive lying c\*nt it seems


Doepie308

True, can even become a president


ClubCola_

Is this the guy who promise players to get a highly wished item by rerolling the tiago casino button?


stefke_be

The same goof yup


Doepie308

OMG… I feel so old reading all this… what is the Tiago Casino Button? Is that the reroll button?


ClubCola_

yes


RcMtOxICgAmInG

Yeah also the lazer bolt luck 🍀if u become a member then you’ll get a Guaranteed legendary drop! 😁


DapperHamsteaks

That's a modded item.


ShinPippo

Yea 100%


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xJVIayhem

Not how it works. Legendary items always have fixed rolls.


DapperHamsteaks

"So there I was just minding my own business fighting the Arbiter when I look over at my Pyromancer teammate and see that it is actually a 60-foot tall crustacean from the Paleozoic era. And I said god-damnit Loch Ness monster, stop modifying my inventory. I ain't giving you no tree fiddy." -Laserbolt


deathf4n

No, they cheat.


NiceguyLucifer

Easy , he is modding. He has a bunch of modded gear.Would not recommend any of his stuff to anyone. If you want some legit advice, check out PlayDohBear, NickTew, Moxsy, LtBuzzLitebeer edit: also TheFullMeasure, Chadly, Babbleon 👍


Scrat214

Also TheFullMeasure


xthescenekidx

love all those guys gotta throw in my dude Chadly


Sahveg

Babbleon is great too


Umustbecrazy

Add TheFullMeasure to that list. He does very detailed build videos and he gave away 12 free copies of the dlc before launch.


LitaofRomanum

AbbyHour


BabbleOnYT

Well that warms my heart, thanks on the shout-out 🙂 - SongsOfRaze


Chemist-Consistent

It's modded. I dont like his content cause of shit like this.


A1Strider

Theres quite a few these guys on the help part of outriders lol. Had a guy try to help me with a buuld and video proof that it worked only to learn very quickly that all his gear was modded just enough to look legit.


smoothjedi

How were you able to tell it was modded if it looked legit?


A1Strider

The percentage values were wrong on his armor mods, but instead of a 10% boost it was like a 15% boost.


cjuice1995

He’s been doing this for years on different games. I’m surprised he’s still around. The guy is a fraud and spreads misinformation with pride.


AtticaBlue

Fraud and misinformation is the lingua franca of the internet and social media, so I’m certainly not surprised.


DisastrousCarpet1891

Just report his channel, his content has been shit and bullshit since the beginning (guaranteed drops on specific expeditions etc) dont watch his videos, he is a scammer


thearcan

Hey folks - I understand the frustration here and appreciate the desire to see something done. On the other hand, this sub is currently skating over witch-hunting territory, so I do want to point out that such topics need to be dealt with carefully and with consideration. While I will take the time to look into this, I won't be putting anyone on public trial. ^(Especially considering that I count at least one outraged person (not an ambassador) ^(in this thread who is equally guilty of using "unorthodox" methods to get ahead in the game.)) I will be discussing the matter with Laserbolt as well as checking internal tools to understand what, if any, inappropriate conduct has gone on. I handed the ambassador group back to our content creator manager team a while ago, so I don't normally deal with issues such as membership or applications myself, though I do offer input and recommendations where required. This will likely be one of those times again. ​ First things first. There are of course a bunch of big no-no's including but not limited to: * Anyone caught using third-party programs (Cheats) will be expelled from the ambassador group (as has happened in the past). * Anyone exploiting players and/or charging players based on fraudulent information will be expelled. * Proven theft of other people's content is also something that would be taken very seriously and would require some amount of explaining and investigation. ​ With that aside, there is a philosophical question to consider regarding acceptable conduct for an ambassador. **Definition of "Exploit" to base the following discussion on:** Anything that requires you to end a play session, such as returning to lobby, changing characters or closing your game, to achieve a specific result. Anything that requires you to manually tune a setting external to the game is also an exploit. Anything where you are forcing the game-state into a certain behaviour that you know is not intended. ​ Let's say ***for the sake of argument***, that Laserbolt acquired items such as this particular Torment & Agony through in-game exploits that he was aware of. That no- third party tools were used, but this Torment and Agony is the result of a whole bunch of manually crashing/force-closing the game at awkward moments to end up with something unusual. ^(Sounds familiar...) How does that change the general opinion? Would it suddenly be okay? Or would it still be unacceptable in your eyes? Before you answer, consider every single content creator that has ever posted a video that contains any of these phrases `"DO THIS BEFORE IT'S PATCHED"` `"CRAZY FAST ??? GLITCH"` `"GET ALL GEAR ITEMS IN AN HOUR"`. Most, if not all, of those videos will be highlighting an exploit and explaining how to take advantage of it. And each time, the content creator full well knows that what they are advertising is an exploit, but they choose to publish the content anyway. Off the top of my head, here is a list of known exploits that were promoted by multiple creators or ambassadors, including those of good standing: * Reset your PC clock to refresh Vendor's Special Offer Exploit * Force-Close Game to Refresh Quest Rewards Exploit * Earthborn Gear God-roll Exploit * Force-Close on Crafting Exploit * Skip a new character to Endgame & Tiago to exploit resource scaling * Apocalypse Tiers Leveling Exploit * Final Arbiter Retries Exploit (yes, it's an exploit) * Boulderdash Exploit Such exploits all have the same effect - they allow players to skip content. This is done by either skipping levels or cutting short time, such as by almost instantly providing players with items/content that would otherwise only be available through a longer RNG Grind. How do we as SE and PCF feel about such videos? \~\~^(A)~~^(nnoyed AF)~~ We're of course not happy about them and we aim to address the root cause of an exploit when possible, should closing the exploit not unnecessarily punish legit players. However, it is an unfortunate fact that such exploits exist. It's also a fact that *someone* will create guides and content to showcase those exploits. So, if we were to actively forced all existing ambassadors to refrain from posting about such content, we would be punishing their content-pipeline and they might even end up being *disadvantaged* because of their ambassador-status. In short: * Ambassadors primarily "relying on" or "promoting" Exploits? Frustrating. * Ambassadors needing to be aware of Twitch/Youtube Algorithms in order to be successful? Still frustrating that algorithm pushes them to create certain content, but it's far more understandable. Does the above mean that we just shrug our shoulders and ignore ambassadors posting exploits? Not at all. Truthfully, I make mental notes of which ambassadors show a certain strength of character to build the bulk of their videos or streams around legit content compared to which creators tend to flock all too quickly to the latest exploit. Such behaviour trends are then also weighed up not just against a content creators standing in the community, but also what kind of insights and value they can offer us. For example, certain Ambassadors provided very constructive feedback during the Worldslayer Beta's and ALOT of that feedback worked its way into the launch day build, and I would be happy to get such players back into early access content in future. All this is to say that while there is a broad group of content creators in the Ambassador Group, we do still choose who to continue to engage with and who may get first dibs on opportunities. I also personally choose which content creators to spend more or less time chatting with and listening to based on the above judgements. Where creators consistently fail to live up to conduct expectations, we do also consider removing them from the program, but we have to be fair and equal with such decisions. ​ Wrapping up (thanks for reading this far!), I'll be working with the Content Creator team as well as our analytics team to investigate the matter raised in this thread. The outcome of that investigation is something we'll be carefully considering, but the results of it will likely be mainly conveyed privately to individuals involved and the wider ambassador group may also receive a clarification of expectations if required. ​ PS: Thanks for the extra tag to ensure my awareness /u/NiceguyLucifer. PSS: Saints alive this became overly long. Sorry for the waffle, I blame my brain, which is currently melting in today's heat.


Destroyer2118

>PSS: Saints alive this became overly long. Sorry for the waffle, I blame my brain, which is currently melting in today's heat. There is not a single dev post on any game, ever that I thought was overly long. No need to say sorry for that. I greatly appreciate the time you took to write that out and give a very detailed, nuanced, non-knee jerk synopsis of the intricacies behind the curtain. Thank you for the level headed response; good luck role playing as a Pyro spamming Overheat.


LeMezRage

Is there a reason why we can't have tier 3 mods roll on all mod slots of our gear? The same thing with gear only rolling with specific stats like firepower or anomaly power. This is a Loot-based RPG game why are there limitations to your build diversity? These questions are never answered and we only accept what is given.


Starseid8712

You can have an Apoc Legendary with 3 Tier 3 mods. The issue is that a legendary items have predefined attributes and Mods 1 & 2. You'll likely only find First Things First and Deathronome in the Apoc slot with an Armor Pierce attribute on an Epic, never a legendary.


AtticaBlue

TBF, *every* game has limitations of one kind or another built into it. It’s a natural way to build in challenge by forcing trade-offs. If you could do everything and be everything at once there would be no “game” there.


Annatar99

i like that you look into it... if its an exploit its an exploit... nothing you can do about it (still would like to have a mark for "this is made with an exploit" tho and for cheats at least have a clarification on that aswell so new players are protected from thinking its easy to achieve that with only using ingame mechanics mainly...


stefke_be

This, ⬆️ you beat me typing on my phone u/annatar99 But as always completely agree


stefke_be

Thanks taking your time to respond and look into this mr Toby, much appreciated! The thing is just as an ambassador and content creator I think there should be a exemplery role expected... And 9/10 do exactly that! But if one "outraged player" decides to go a different route, fine no problem with it... play solo and experiment on your own without including other players. My problem and I think I can generalise this is going that way while still making content, promoting it and telling we as players need to do this! Veterans know who he is but to new players this misleading info and suspicious ways might lead to a real bad experience to the game! And if there really is an exploit he should mention it to you in private and not show it off in his videos. Hope you guys figure it out ✌


John_East

Those exploits didn't get you t3 mods overriding a legendary set t3 mod. That mage rage isn't what that gun comes with. They also never let you fully load t3s on purples.


NiceguyLucifer

Thanks for the update. Those are all great reasonable points , but ... There is a huge difference between getting loot, XP , progress in game because parts of the game are broken , and getting them with a 3rd party tool while creating content claiming they never used 3rd party tools. Also , there is a huge difference between random players using any kind of cheats/exploits and even creating content around it, and an official Ambasador doing the same thing.


thearcan

I've cleared up confusion [regarding the definition here.](https://www.reddit.com/r/outriders/comments/w27q6v/comment/ih12577/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) No where did I equate Exploits to Third-party Tools. I even specifically called out Third party tools separately to make that distinction clear. >There are of course a bunch of big no-no's including but not limited to: > >Anyone caught using third-party programs (Cheats) will be expelled from the ambassador group (as has happened in the past).


NiceguyLucifer

thanks , just reading that now. I know that it must be hell to deal with all these posts and issues, and I can only assume the hundreds of notifications , posts and replies you get all the time. Really appreciate you taking the time to directly reply to specific comments 👍


DapperHamsteaks

I don't think making videos about exploits is the issue here. What you should be looking into is the [blatant scam](https://youtu.be/HFujRjGt2nQ) (starts at 5:30) he was running last year. Calling out loot before it drops? Yeah right. He was clearly modding those items into the other player's inventory. Those players were giving him money to join his lobbies on stream. He knew targeted drops weren't a thing. Those misinformative, clickbait videos were an advertisement for his side business of selling items to donators who were under the impression that they were witnessing his "miracle" method. He's still doing this. His new controversial "hypothesis" is just a new framing of the same scam.


xXPAN1KXx

u/Thearcan While investigating this maybe take a look at his latest video from today talking about cheating and exploits. Explain, if you can, if it's cheating or a glitch when a Ambassador posts a video of himself doing an AT40 TG run as a Pyro and never taking a single point of damage with no shields showing? I play as a Pyro and I am in awe of that. (Here's a link to the video if you need it... https://youtu.be/DJHJR_D9YI4 )


cjuice1995

Laser just took down the video because he was getting exposed in the comments


NiceguyLucifer

lol, for some stupid reason I got the idea to download that video in case this happened and now I have it 😅😅😅


stefke_be

Ow but you are a bad man 😈😬😬


NiceguyLucifer

**edit : if any mod wants the video , lemme know 👍**


stefke_be

Aw man be carefull, you dont want to give him a reason to come after you! The only one that might need to have eyes on this is the big boss, for the rest I would keep it private if I was you.


NiceguyLucifer

I am not a content creator and also don't have any personal details attached to this, so there is nothing really he could do. but I will edit it , just to be the "Niceguy" as my name says 😅


stefke_be

Me neither, but he is! And probably knows all his rights and everything about it in detail so... Just watching out for you ✌


Hot-Age3864

Would love to see it :3


xXPAN1KXx

Very nice!


xXPAN1KXx

Of course he did. That's just so you know he's absolutely legit and a honorable member of the outriders Ambassador community.


OkPangolin2463

I saw that video not long after he posted it. It seems, he was posting to attempt to do some damage control? As you said he’s talking about cheating and exploits. One of the things I noticed right away was that talked about all the current known exploits in the game. He even gave brief explanations of all of them except this supposed weapon exploit which he tried cushion on both sides with ones he could give explanations for. If this is an exploit as he says why isn’t this more widely known within the community. I couldn’t find anything on it. Given what this is and that he was clearly able to replicate it in worldslayer you’d think he and the other ambassadors would have chimed in on it. After all I would almost have to figure that anyone who knows of it would have tried it at least once. But popping in your own comment section and saying “It’s a weapon exploit.” Simply doesn’t cut it in this case. Not to mention he appears to have been able to this with epic armor pieces as well. (Triple T3 mods) Even though he took that video down it’s interesting to note that the video that exposed this in the first place is still up. This is the link if anyone is curious. https://youtu.be/hRieHo6r6Kc


NiceguyLucifer

**Edit: wrong assumption, but new accounts with 1st comment are sus 😅** *Laser , baby, did you really make a new profile just to post a comment with a video defending yourself , but pretending its not really you 😅😅😅* *Good job bruh 👍👍*


xXPAN1KXx

u/NiceguyLucifer I am new to reddit, but definitely not Laser. Also, I doubt he'd make a post pointing out his blatant cheating of being completely invulnerable in the gameplay of his latest video.


NiceguyLucifer

ah yeah , thanks , just realized that the whole run in the video his health is constantly on 100% , it never drops by even 1 health point 😅😅 even when he is literally standing on the spikes in any normal run the health bar would be constantly changing numbers as you get damaged and heal , but this one is just stuck at 100% no matter what. >!P.S. I hate that I am giving him views at all , but at least there is no ad revenue since Ad Block is doing its thing 😅!<


darin1355

A very measured and based response. Something this community needs. Thank you.


Mugsy1103

Asshat ambassadors should have to tend with the same crap shoot RNG we all are struggling with - god rolled apoc purples are frigging unicorns!!! Have now seen more than one legit content creator state the current grind for even well rolled purples is making them hate the game fast…


Electronic_Radish_20

Great post, well written, but also fundamentally wrong on one important point. There is a world of different between an exploit (an unintended result from pre-existing ingame interactions) and an external modification. Exploits are essentially things the Dev and QA team missed, and thats not intended as an insult. Corner cases exist in every implementation. Third part tools modifying game code are a whole other ballgame because there is no world in which a dev or QA team could have caught that. Philosophically it would serve the PCF team well to make that distinction and treat exploits vs third party modifications as different things. I.e.: fix your end game loop instead of placing 50%+ of your playerbase who reset the final boss fight in TG into the same basket as someone who externally modified game files. If I wasn't the type to try to give someone the benefit of the doubt I would be rather offended by the implication you just made.


thearcan

I've cleared up [confusion regarding the definition here.](https://www.reddit.com/r/outriders/comments/w27q6v/comment/ih12577/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) We have never planned to actively punish people who use exploits. As you say, they are things we missed rather than malicious changes to the game code. We may choose to address exploits since they are unintended, but people who take advantage of them have never been punished. There are multiple examples of us acting in this matter over the game's lifecycle. Addressing an Exploit and Punishing people for using it are not the same thing.


Electronic_Radish_20

Apologies, I didn't see this when i posted. Thank you for the clarification :)


hanZ____

Your definition of an "exploit" is ... interesting. Returning to lobby is in the same list as using external cheat-tools? Well, I should just give up and directly use trainers and stuff. Would not change anything as nearly all of us are already cheaters (anyone here, who never returned to lobby in the trials?). But besides that: What about fixing your terrible design decisions (like loot-tables resulting in 99,9% of the loot being crap, terrible drop-rates of APOC gear, the most terrible and pointless grind in the newer gaming history or frustrating "targeted loot" areas (like one single item from the targeted loot in (purple) APOC quality as "reward")? I guess the amount of "cheaters" would drop drastically. And by the way: Fix the static, repetitive trials by adding some randomness in the mobs spawns or else. Thanks.


thearcan

>Returning to lobby is in the same list as using external cheat-tools? Not at all. Nowhere did I equate those two. None of the exploits I mentioned require external tools. They can all be done within the game or on your PC/Console without third-party tools. If you're confused about this part of the definition... >Anything that requires you to manually tune a setting external to the game is also an exploit. That refers to this exploit: >Reset your PC clock to refresh Vendor's Special Offer Exploit Resetting your PC Clock is as simple as changing the time on your PC. No third party tool required. ​ Anything that requires a third party tool, such as a trainer, is very obviously a cheat, not an exploit.


Fragment_Flurry_Jess

are you going to do something about NickTew also, for promoting services against the ToS in his youtube build video, carries happen i get that, but he promoted a website that violates every games ToS


Fragment_Flurry_Jess

LOL at the downvotes, its all good to get pitchforks out when someone edits weapons and stats, but we draw the line if its someone promoting selling services where each class build is $380, okok


BeanieBass

[https://youtu.be/gB\_7EG\_HtWY?t=46](https://youtu.be/gB_7EG_HtWY?t=46) You mean this sponsored ad right?


LitaofRomanum

Say What?


vegeta4fun

>u/Thearcan Hope u/Thearcan address this issue as well.


Grimm_Kreed

I'm glad you guys take this seriously even if it doesn't get him removed.


Kingfish_Perfected

Love this type communication. It shows devs have their ear out and are listening. Regardless of what happens communication is better than no communication. Someone's is listening and that's important.


OtImUsPrImE32

Dang Laserbolt took the vid down? I wanted to see it with my own two eyes. His builds are good, but now I wonder what other modding is happening.


elementfortyseven

Sorry, but after reading this, this sounds just too much like the usual industry MO of "we care deeply about your issue, but we will not engage with it because the exposure our product gets from the creator in question outweighs any ethical considerations".


xJVIayhem

>Off the top of my head, here is a list of known exploits that were promoted by multiple creators or ambassadors, including those of good standing: > >Reset your PC clock to refresh Vendor's Special Offer Exploit > >Force-Close Game to Refresh Quest Rewards Exploit > >Earthborn Gear God-roll Exploit > >Force-Close on Crafting Exploit > >Skip a new character to Endgame & Tiago to exploit resource scaling > >Apocalypse Tiers Leveling Exploit > >Final Arbiter Retries Exploit (yes, it's an exploit) > >Boulderdash Exploit There's one underlying thing with most of these as well, changes can be made in terms of mechanics to prevent them from happening, which has been done in some cases. Not saying that it's all "preventable" for lack of better terms, but adjustments can be made to fix them, or at the very least, reward the intended behavior. Granted, I'm not a developer, so I wouldn't know how feasible these would be, but these are just overarching thoughts. I'd also like to further stress that this is not in any way intended as an insult towards the team. I'm sure y'all have a better idea of how to fix these things anyways. Anything related to Force-closing, is due to those items not being considered as part of your inventory before hitting confirm. They could be considered as in the inventory prior to that point and would fix most of them. Pick-A-Reward are still a question mark there for sure, unless they want to temporarily be considered as part of the inventory, which in turn would need its own "fix". Clock based things are a weird one. Could be as simple as making a check on launch or when interacting with a vendor to see if there's a time mismatch or the sort. There has to be some sort of way to track time already added in-game, since there's timer that count down to store refreshes. Passing down items for resources to another character is considered an exploit? That seems like perfectly logical and assumed behavior tbh. Wouldn't most people do that in an RPG game that's gear intensive? I know I do it in Path of Exile, Diablo, basically any game with a shared stash of any kind. Is it not just the same concept? The Apoc Tiers and BD things I'm not touching. Those both are the result of weird bugs, and likely already have fixes in the works. Final Arbiter though, here's a couple thoughts: * Final rewards scale to remaining retries, completed Rooms, AND consecutive completions (streak) * Reduces incentive to reset, as rewards aren't as boosted up since starting at checkpoint removes a retry, would consider all previous rooms not completed, and resets any existing streak. * Starting at that checkpoint from the lobby sets you to Last Attempt. * This allows people who legitimate need to stop at that encounter for life reasons to still attempt it for rewards, but minimizes repeat encounters/farming. It sucks for it to be a punishment in those cases, but it's among the best options for fairness imo. * People still exploiting the infinite checkpoint would have to constantly reset, as they'd have to do the steps for every attempt instead of every 4. This makes it more tedious to do the boring thing, which would be more of a deterrent, though still not perfect.


thearcan

>Passing down items for resources to another character is considered an exploit? The exploit referred to here is not the passing of resources from one character to another to share resources around and help the lower level character get ahead. The exploit in question allows anyone to unlock ALL MODS, including Worldslayer mods within an hour f*or all characters, including high-level characters.* We've created a hundred new mods for Worldslayer. By using the above mentioned exploit, high-level players were able to unlock all mods by taking advantage of low-level character resource costs, within a very short time. It essentially broke the entire "search for mods" gameplay aspect. That's an exploit, not intended gameplay. ​ In terms of the other exploits I mentioned, many of them have already been addressed, or we have chosen to not address them. For example, the clock-reset exploit was closed by us changing the clock from looking at the PC clock to looking at the Server clock instead. That was done during the demo last year.


ChaosprimeZ

What if I wipe or lose connection to the server? Based on your first option I would be severely punished for this. I get the thought process but it's very tricky and honestly almost if not impossible to try and do what you're saying as false positives would always be there.


xJVIayhem

Like I said, it'd suck for those edge cases, but they're much less common than you'd think. The only times I've legitimately crashed since WS release have been leaving the client open for several hours at a time. Even then, It's rare as I've had the game open for 10+ hours on multiple occasions with no issues. It's intended as a suggestion or at the very least a starting point. It could easily be adjusted and balanced as well. Not saying it should be added as-is.


NoTransportation9776

i actually had to stop playing with a known friend that was 61 ascension levels below me and 1 shotting wth boulderdash...then he tried to say i was mad about his cheating....the minds of some people man


censureship

cheatin


Doepie308

Ah man… ok, where is the cheat. I am so lost in this post…


stefke_be

He made a youtube video about a gun with the ultimate mods, but those are impossible to get on that gun in a legit manner


Doepie308

Ah, ok. What a numpty…


Environmental_Bit565

You can't get those rolls on that pistol. It comes standard with Judgement Enforcer and clip combustion with the third mod random.


reighteen

ambassador btw 😅😂


A1Strider

Hmm? Whats that mean?


Alldayanyday1OnThePS

It means he gets a special tag that normal players don't get, and get invited into a super secret discord channel with the devs where they can input some feedback and the devs just ignore it.


Dakes_Gaming

He says this but if I went to the devs and asked I reckon they'd probably be annoyed that he's saying that cos making a video showing people how to cheat in games would destroy his reputation and his channel.


Ok_Outside7134

I don’t care if he cheats or if anyone cheats. It’s your game and you can do what TF you want as long as it doesn’t kill anyone else’s momentum off. When you claim you can do this and do that legit and make videos where you clearly cheat and you do this for profit is where the line gets drawn and he’s the king of this BS. Why anyone goes to him still, blows the mind.


stefke_be

Want to play solo and enjoy it that way fine, understand with this grind. But dont go making build videos and guides about what to do as normal players. Completely agree, and on top of that he's an ambassador of the game... that's really over the top imo


LandBe4Time

Very well said. Hit it on the money 👌🏼


QsoldierAnon

I mostly watch nicktew for my videos he's good and I have fun with his builds


Environmental_Bit565

He cheats and uses modded weapons. Can not stand the guy.


joker_122402

He cheats that's how. You're right, that's an impossible roll. He also used an impossible purple gun in that video. And in the video before that he used 2 impossible gear pieces as well.


Zestyclose_Poet_5774

Simply doesn't


SpectrumPT

CheatEngine


cjuice1995

I remember he used make his viewers beg to play with him by saying, “Big daddy Laser please help me.” I’m not even making this up.


LifeAlgae1038

He mods his games


jackfrost5423

That’s modded


sinnerdizzle

Imagine lying and using modded items for cred and bragging rights for a niche looter shooter


Larzok

The solution we all need. i think at some point they should just say fuck it and unlock all mod slots. When we complete AT 40 Unlock Zahedi Supreme. Full crafting options. Select weapon body/gear type, select 3 stats, select 3 mods Enjoy your bespoke Outrider without the sketchy feeling of having to pay a professional cheater for fun gear.


stefke_be

https://youtu.be/hRieHo6r6Kc


Drunkendaze

He's a cheater


NotAMO3LB

Laser bolt is full of shit,I'm surprised it's taken y'all this long to figure it out


ItsByrdman778

The dude has been doing this for awhile. Biggest source of misinformation and cheating in the community. It’s frustrating that he’s constantly lying to the community. I’ve tried to talk sense into him through DMs to no avail. Best to block and move on.


PsychologicalFuture3

Because he mods his items seriously ppl don't watch his content its full of misinformation


R9Jeff

Thats a modded gun. 100%. Cheat Engine maybe


Hopeful-Promise4336

Modding makes the game better anyway. The build and loot system sucks and hacks improves it.


Equal-Ad192

I called him out so many times, purples having tierIII mods, using others content, taking builds from Nicktew and saying he made them. Even WIDDZ gives NT props and basically telling people to waist resources on random rolled gear from the legendary vendors.... LB is hot garbage. Go back and look at his trickster build and tell me that gear is legit.


juanspellman

I have a problem in the game. I finished Channa's secondary mission, but when I try to travel to go out it doesn't let me, the option to travel doesn't appear


Gunthalas

Wait so mages rage can't roll on 3rd slot and 1st thing 1st on 2nd? That's what im looking for


stefke_be

It always rolls with judgement enforcer and clip combustion with one random apoc now. If the apoc is right you can still only change 1 of the 2 original mods, not both


Gunthalas

How about purple apoc gear?


Zakmonster

On purple gear, the first mod will be tier one, the second will be tier two, and the Apoc mod can be any tier. Tier 3 Apoc mods on weapons are really rare, however, but merchants have a much better chance for tier 3. So in short, you can get a pistol with First Things First and Mage's Rage, but it will be rare and getting the right stats will also be difficult.


RcMtOxICgAmInG

You can farm the vendor at forest enclave and force re-rolls on PS5 for apoc gear with with bottom tier 3 mod on gear or weapons. I got a god rolled pistol 🔫 from him that slaps harder than any other gun I have on my techno it’s like using a cheat code 👀


R9Jeff

1st mod can be tier 2 and the 2nd t1 even the 3rd can be t1/2/3. Its random. But t3 only on 3rd slot


Annatar99

same there u can only change 1 of the mods but on this one u even see he didnt modify Mage rage in so it would be on there natural and there is only 1 weapon where this can happen and that weapon neither has these attributes nor is it a sidearm...


PinchesTheCrab

Is there any limitation on what t3 mods an apoc slot can have?


RcMtOxICgAmInG

As long as it’s not class specific I don’t think so. So you can have three tier 3 mods stacked on a apoc weapon or gear pc. That’s why there soo good!


R9Jeff

All legendaries have fixed mods. Only purples get random mods and atributes


Gam3Head

Damn really thought guy was legit smh🤦🏾‍♂️


PhoenixVanguard

So glad that I have to suffer disconnects, lag, server outtages, a lack of pause, a botched launch, and sometimes a complete inability to play on trips in a single player experience so that people can't use modded gear. Wait, what the fu-


Prestigious_Ad_921

To get a rolls like that you just simply cant! Unless you use CE...


TheMuddiestofElves

"weapon exploit"


OkPangolin2463

Yeah that was “sufficient” explanation. 🤣😂


Umustbecrazy

Photoshop or Modding/Cheating.


OkPangolin2463

Mod cheating


DgtlShark

Must be a new mod, that's disgusting


Zealousideal-Pen-686

Getting 2 Tier 3 mods on a Legendary Apoc is fine. What is not fine is that he has 3 diff Tier3 mods on Purples. Many ppl have called him out on it, including myself. It’s called cheating. He’s making “guide” n “tutorial” videos on unrealistic builds n profiting off of lies. Those fake build r only achievable if u cheat. Exploits r one thing but this isn’t that.


CameToRant

Anyone got the video or whatever this is from? Im trying to prove to a clown that laserbolt cheats lol


stefke_be

It is somewhere between this wall of messages yea... Maybe best just search him on youtube 😅


CameToRant

Id do that, but i need the exact video the weapons from lol. This dudes like straight riding his dick.


scottyy2times

Ok,so don't take me over the coal's here because I have no idea who everyone is talking about ,but with torment and agony I got a lv56 that rolled with an apoc mod of dimensional rockets 3 slapped on mages rage in the second slot and the first slot has judgement enforcer 3 Then I got one with omen in the apoc slit and put mages in the second and it came with till death do us part 3 in the first...what is going on with this thread ,I'm curious please.


stefke_be

You're ok bud! First one is a legit Torment and Agony, Second one you had is the real Boulderlings sidearm. Here in this picture both mods are changed from the static legendary roll + an incredibly "lucky" apoc. You can only change 1 and it always rolls with the same 2 mods, so basicly impossible to have this result in a legit way. Thats whats going on here...


scottyy2times

Ahhhh,now I see,your right,it is a Bouldering and Agony, thanks for clearing that up,all I've been hearing is this guy's name and how much of a fraud he is...such a shame 🤷


stefke_be

Fraud is a big word, he just shouldn't be making build videos like that and endorsing it to unaware players.


OtImUsPrImE32

Modding gear the way this Torment & Agony is, will not happen with a game crash. I bet this is modded gear. Have you ever crashed while playing Outriders(I have more times to count)and come back to get a Damascus offering that didn’t have Claymore Torrent? I smell a play for favoritism for ambassadors. But I’m not counting the chickens. This is the difference between an exploit and modding.


Thehumblesavage

Yukfoozi, the foozibot, here just to say <3 this.


stefke_be

Look at that mr Yuk himself! How's it going bud?


Thehumblesavage

Trying to get better with this reddit stuff kappalul


Sufficient_Remote861

5 days ago laserbolt posted a video explaining himself, and as usual he posted up some of his gameplay footage in background. However I notice something as well as other that his health wasn't going down. I'm talking not a single lost of any health. One person commented and I also did. He since made this video private. I have photos of the comments but video I don't.


stefke_be

I have the video. But really it isnt our business, only thearcan has to know about it really.


Sufficient_Remote861

Wow I thought I was tripping when I seen it was private cause I wanted to see if he updated or respond to what I even ask him on that video.


stefke_be

He wasnt answering nothing, just deleting comments 😅


Sufficient_Remote861

He made it straight private! I should have clipped it as well. But it was a Stephan guy said something then I commented as well. I first thought he had a perk of invurnalbiliy if casting a skill but thought there isn't no mod or perk for that. And he was face tanking a shit ton of enemies!


stefke_be

Yea some smart people noticed and clipped it before he put it private. But think the point is already been proven...