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RedditttName

Do North also have this Born-Again thing ? Does Hindu people also get converted ?


vbshan

>aster Jeromy yes, much more, because people had gone through war, you can quickly sell religion to someone who is already broken.


LaughExcellent8329

Yep happened a lot throughout the war. Idk if it continued after the war tho.


satisfied_counselor

Yeah


rasta_rabbi

Does it feel like these vultures are coming up more in recent months? I feel proper sick that they're feeding off vulnerable people more now.


Aritha_Vith

This extremism should be removed from the society! Whatever the religion is there should be no extremism cause the next step of extremism is terrorism 😢


PleaseJustStayAlive

I'm really sorry. What is born again and what's going on? I somehow saw a meme status made with Sanga's wife. But didn't know the context of it.


FlowerWonderful9239

Born again is part of religious people who says that they are superior than everyone. And it also makes negative effects to our society


PleaseJustStayAlive

On what basis are they claiming to be superior? Is it something like religiously converting to Christianity? Like then you have the blessings of God which non-Christians do not have? Or is it something sociopolitical like a caste system or a class system?


FlowerWonderful9239

Yes like that. Religiously converting


FlowerWonderful9239

They use the power of money and brainwash others into believing they have divine power to heal their ailments.


PleaseJustStayAlive

How do they make others believe that?


PleaseJustStayAlive

I'm sorry, I'm confused here😅. I feel like I just fell in here out of nowhere. 😅


FlowerWonderful9239

I feel you. But the so-called pastors act in that bad way. They are trying to bring the national sports team to this religious power by using publicity and blind devotion.


grandwhitelotus

Born again people are batshit crazy. They will definitely try to make Sri Lanka more theocratic.


kingsmanchurchill

As if Buddhists aren't already making it theocratic? Stop with the sweeping generalizations.


Aritha_Vith

There are crazy “monks” but that doesn’t even come close to brainwashing, mind altering and money laundering bs like this 🤔


duhcoolies

You haven't met the Colombo monks and political monks then. All they do is brainwash and money launder for big shots.


Aritha_Vith

I totally agree with u and fyi I’ve met many Colombo monks but this is smth else… Mostly ppl who are poor are paid by these con artists to convert and to believe in these bs


duhcoolies

That's how the Catholic church has functioned for centuries - by pulling in the poor, less fortunate and vulnerable to convert to the faith. Again all these practices are nothing new. Only that it has become very mainstream now with social media.


Aritha_Vith

That actually Sums up everything 🙌


Aritha_Vith

Every religion/philosophy is beautiful if u keep the extremism aside


duhcoolies

Born Again is not an extremism. It is just a different sect of one religion. Modern religious leaders are the ones who corrupt religion and twist it to suit a money making narrative.


Aritha_Vith

Different ppl will have different perspectives but the way I see it, it doesn’t look like a different sec rather smth similar to a cult U can’t have a normal conversation with these ppl without getting to hear faith, Lord, healing etc. It’s frustrating. It’s more like they are blind to see Christianity as it is rather they are like fish in a tank that can only see what the pastor teaches them


duhcoolies

You have summed up pretty much every religious person from all faiths. Religious people tend to be blinded by their own in a religious bubble. This is not Born Again specific, nor Christian specific.


Nameless11911

Buddhism has ruined this county and continues to do so! I don’t understand why monks get involved in politics? Why they accept luxuries why they demand for business class ticks when invited for religious ceremonies? Why they have cellphones, girlfriends? Why on earth do they own properties? They do the opposite of what lord Buddha preached and you guys are worried about a Christian religion that converts people by providing them basic necessities to live and survive?


Aritha_Vith

Buddhism hasn’t ruined anything… Monks behaving like lunatics and playing the hell are their personal issues and it does not affect people… but things like these are social issues and these affect people and a lot more


Direct_Cream2634

>Monks behaving like lunatics and playing the hell are their personal issues and it does not affect people… You must have been living in a different country during the past few years. I'm a Buddhist by the way.


touchaspagette_69

This jerome guy calls himself a "prophet" lmao. He can call himself a good businessman. Also Bhanuka Rajapaksha isnt even in the afgan tourney and played badly in Aus T20. Maybe he hasnt donated this clown Jeromey enough cash so his "talent" has been taken away by god lmao. "Watch out for false prophets..... They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves."


Message_Popular

Please dont insult wolves lol. These are worse than cockroaches.


TheSpiritOfZanzibar

Ok so he claims to be a Pastor and a prophet or whatever. I've seen many posts here saying that he's scamming people. Can someone elaborate a bit on the scam part? Like how does he scam? Do people pay him for his services? I don't knw tbh, just curious to know, how he makes money.


Relation_Senior

You gotta pay the Prophet and it ain’t cheap


RPLAJ4Y88

Let go of your curiosity and google American evangelical priests and their lifestyles. Just like the Catholic Church the money is the oil that runs the machine. Every Religion is manufactured HORSE SHIT Simple - follow the 7 deadly sins to the best of your ability.


Aritha_Vith

Sangakkara was my role model and I loved him a lot for his personality and qualities and it’s so sad to see him going behind some blind faith crap… it’s sad 😔


ZidaneZombie

Pastor Jerome going back to his hometown roots nice. Also can this Pastor Jerome make Roshan Abeysinghe a good commentator?


0Antisaint0

I remember when i was a kid my mom was into this shit. Forced me along, was the mose bizzarre shit ive ever seen. Speaking in tongues that haunts me to this day. My dad intervened, who was Muslim (lets just say not that innocuously) and glad that he did. I still cant help but look at these followers as an inferior demographic. Some of them are well educated and wise but still follow these charlatans rigorously.


[deleted]

What did he secrete?


duhcoolies

All religions have become corrupt. This Born Again is nothing new, and just like any other religion it has become corrupt and run like a business.


RedditttName

This is the Facebook event(2018):[Core 600 | Higher Life Men's Conference](https://www.facebook.com/events/the-glorious-church/core-600-higher-life-mens-conference/703444063356590/) So it is true that, this Born-Again thing is spreading like a cancer in cricket and our society.


gifispronouncedgif

Born again is not even nearly as popular as Umandhawa. People might know what Born Again is, but its criticized more than praised (not the same scenario for Umandhawa). Only those who are Catholic/Christian already are likely to join Born Again anyways, and they are a minority. Isn't Umandhawa a cancer to society? Hell, Umandhawa is straight up insulting Buddha's teachings, and the sangha's robe. I criticize both Umandhawa and Born Again heavily cos its businesses exploiting people, but in this country everyone has religious freedoms, If I started a church to worship the Devil, it's fair and legal. If you are criticizing any religion, criticize the effect it has (eg: Islamic laws in Sri Lanka are not beneficial to the women due to the unfair marriage laws...etc). What harm has born again or even Umandhawa done, that any other religion in SL already has not done?


RedditttName

Born-again, Umandawa, and other miracle centers are hazardous to society. Umandawa usually attracts models and actresses. But Born again attracts more influential and rich people. And that has more effect. What is becoming dangerous is, now they are trying to perform medical miracles, which is extremely dangerous. I remember, that sometime back. there was a paster that claimed he has cured cancer patients, but actually what had happened was, many more had died without real cancer treatments. The few who got cured were due to our good doctors.


gifispronouncedgif

Have you heard of Deegoda Kumara, or the various kattadiyas from tamil or buddhist dewalas, who say similar stuff? Nobody talked about those. ​ But I agree with you, you raised a good point that more influential people are joining Born Again, most likely because these guys are getting funding from other countries and they are paying hefty sums to these people. However I don't think it poses any threat because, such programs have always existed like Jehovah's Witness and these guys are being ridiculed very hard. The common man is not going to join this. I hope this thing dies down, however the more publicity we give them, the more we are helping their cause.


RedditttName

Common people follows influential people. Common man trust miracles, when they are in the lowest level of life. These evangelists try to take advantage of problems of people and give false promises. There crowd is growing and we must expose their real faces to world. This is not giving publicity. This is exposing their heinous acts. Rather than whataboutism, It's important to nip this kind of religious scams in the bud.


gifispronouncedgif

Yeah but what I am calling out is that you people didn't seem even half as concerned about all the already existing religious problems in SL, maybe you think these things are normal?


FlowerWonderful9239

But that not Buddhism and not a real Buddhist. But in Christian Bible, they teach they can help and heal them.


gifispronouncedgif

So we are back to criticizing religions now? I thought this discussion was about Born Again, but here you are dismissing an entire religion. I don't believe in any of these, but you cannot dismiss a whole religion like that just because of some Born Again cult which is not endorsed by the religion. Catholic Pope does not promise to heal cancer. I hate when redditors on this subreddit buy into the western fake narrative that Buddhism is not religious and has no supernatural elements. Buddhism totally has many such elements. As for harmful effects, when Buddhism says that we must seek to end Birth, is that not harmful to people's ideologies? maybe thats a reason why we have one of the highest suicide rates in the world because Buddhists are taught this from a young age. Who are you to say what is real buddhism or not? Every buddhist will worship and make prayers, but Buddha never said to do it. But it is part of Buddhism. Please note that this isn't merely about Buddhism either, Sinhala Buddhism is inseperable from Sinhalese culture, and sinhalese culture is full of such supernatural things. ​ And Born again is not regular Christianity, these evangelicals are just another branch. Similar to Theravada and Mahayana, and Zen and all these other Buddhist branches.


FlowerWonderful9239

As a religious man, it makes no sense for me to criticize religions. But brainwashing is against humanity bro. They don't just pray and practice. They treat the real patients with lies, it's a threat for health system of the country same as Kali pani. And insulting the country by using blind devotion and using the national game, insinuating the independence of the sport brand. Can you justify these?


rasta_rabbi

I dont know anything about Umandhawa but in terms of what born again christians do differently from other religions I can think of a couple things. They have hard-line views. It's fair to say you know Catholics, Muslims and Hindus that are both progressive and conservative and are generally accepted by those of their faith. Not so much the case with Born again Christians, and that leads to a decaying of society IMO. That to me is my biggest concern of the impact it would have on Sri Lanka. They are not just after recruiting more members, they are after political power, and this seminar looks to reflect that in a small way. Best example of its negative impact on a society, look no further than the Republican Party in America. Some may say well that's just America, does anyone genuinely think these guys don't have links to these groups?


RedditttName

Exactly. Trump also has a spiritual evangelist(born again). By looking at his actions we can understand, how worst it can become. It is rumored that these pasters prohibits Sri Lankan players to participate in certain tournaments because it clashes with the schedules of their church.


rasta_rabbi

So true, it's starting to feel like Buddhist Nationalism in politics is on the way out and Evangelicalism is in. What's infuriating is they'll come across proclaiming how they're breaking the racial divide between Sinhala and Tamil when in reality they're just breaking the bank when they realised there's more money taking from two races not one.... Spiritual days off for the players defs feel like the tip of the iceberg


gifispronouncedgif

trump is an athiest,his followers are evangelists, but they are not born again. Just christians. edit: I was wrong


The9thLordofRavioli

Pretty long time ago though. 8th September 2018 according to the event page.


RedditttName

Yes, I mentioned that in the comment. Everyone blamed his wife. But, he also had part in it.


Flat-War4343

We can now realize that who bought this born again shit into cricket and destroyed the SL cricket team. So called shitty legend. There were rumours in the past and now we now those rumors are true.


FewTourist5812

Who is Pastor Jerome


nonchalan8t

Can somebody please explain this whole “Born Again” thing. I heard things hear and there. But do not have a complete idea. Thanks in advance.


Hopeful_Vanilla2837

It's Christian faith on steroids. From what I know, anyone can be born again if they "Accept Christ as their Lord and Savior". Born again is basically a pastor/preacher having a following of his own. Anyone who preaches the Bible and garners a following can call themselves a pastor. They are not ordained like the Catholic, Methodist or Protestant priests. The Catholic church, Methodist etc. have certain rituals like baptism, communion, confirmation etc. that define you as being a member of that denomination of Christianity. You also need to be a member of the church parish in your area and have a family book. But in born again you don't have/need any of that. It also doesn't have a centralized authority like how the Catholic churches worldwide answer to the Vatican. Therefore there is no one to hold them accountable. Because born again isn't a religious denomination you see Christians from other denominations attending their sermons. Many of my family members now identify themselves as Evangelical Catholics. They would attend Sunday mass as well as listen to what pastors have to say. I can only speak from my experience being a Catholic, but as Catholics we really don't read the Bible on our own, unless it's read in Church and the Preist elaborates on it (for like 15 minutes during mass). The born again church on the otherhand is like a Bible class where you are encouraged to bring your own Bible and they would go over it during the sermon (1-2 hour sermons). They are a more devout version of Christianity, that focuses on praise and worship (through worship songs and talking in toungues), healing, miracles and the prosperity gospel. The testimony Yehali gave was basically how every other Aunty who goes to these Churches speak. They live and breathe religion.


nonchalan8t

Thanks for the insights. This really helps.


jithization

My dad always says to not trust a man with a fake accent when people praise Sanga outside of the cricket world lol He will follow the money for sure, and from what I see from my friends and stuff online, most of the people who promulgate this crap are young entrepreneurs, executives, influencers and 'posh' people who think they are better than everyone. I think it's a circle jerk of a bunch of grifters fueled by money and not spirituality.


hasitha1989

This is an old event. September 8th.